Jerome Myers, Founder of Dream Catchers, is the preeminent authority of dream realization. A believer that dreams can and should be real. He is also the Founder and head coach of Myers Methods and has been featured in Black Enterprise, Business Insider, and numerous podcasts. After building a highly profitable division of a Fortune 500 company, Jerome decided to leave the rat race to get away from what seemed to be the endless slew of layoffs. He has developed a system for exiting corporate America and creating a life of impact. Today, he and his company help other apex performers find their calling and live every day on purpose by harnessing the power of his model for a Centered Life, what he calls “the Red Pill.”
In this episode, Jerome talks about how Masterminds create the ability to get on a phone or a Zoom call to solve your problem. He lets us know how he makes sure he enters your reality and the world you’ve built, and where you want to go. Jerome explains that if you journal every day and include what you want, what you’re willing to do to get it, and what life will look like on the backside of this, how will it happen. Check it out!
Jerome’s Learning Journey and Masterminds
The Mastermind Effect: 02:59
Let’s dive into this. Our ability to learn and have access to different people changed over the last 5 to 10 years. When you and I were younger, it was textbooks, teachers, friends, family, coworkers, and the people around us. But the reality is that’s a sliver of what’s possible. How is your learning changed from your early years versus today?
Jerome Myers: 03:21
The vast majority of my learning in the early years was somebody standing in front of me and telling me the thing. As long as I was present, then I could pick it up. Now, I scour the internet looking for access. I reach out to people who are further ahead on the journey than I am and get specific guidance when trying to accomplish something. A lot of the learning was forced learning, and it wasn’t what I’m interested in. Now, I’m almost obsessed with figuring out what makes people tick, how you accomplish success and all of the fairy tales that are out there, and how you can dismantle them. I think we end up in a funky place when the fairytale ends when we become adults.
The Mastermind Effect: 04:07
I still think we can live in a fairy tale, and we can still live the Disney dream. And not take the child outside of us because that’s really when we’re probably using the right side of our brain, which it’s looking horizontally, and it doesn’t know right from wrong, but it’s also the dream side of us. They create an education system that they haven’t changed. They’re still teaching the same way that it was done 70 or 80 years ago.
It’s like, “Listen, it’s cool to learn biology.” But what practical application is that going to have as opposed to sitting there saying, “Hey, this is what you’re interested in, and this is what you’re good at.” Let’s harness that and think about it in a different way. Maybe you bring in that biology piece behind it, but it’s so you must take this curriculum. You must go from A to B to C. That’s not how people work.
Jerome Myers: 04:57
Most folks have an acute problem they’re trying to overcome. We think there are six levels that you’re trying to work through in life, and sequence matters as much as the actual thing that you’re dealing with. For a lot of folks, they see the end, so they try to do X, Y, and Z, but they miss M and O. Then, they’re confused why X, Y, and Z don’t work. And it’s because you haven’t made the full matriculation through the body of knowledge. We’ll dig in, but I’ll leave that out there as a teaser.
The Mastermind Effect: 05:37
Yes. You got to know your starting location. If you don’t know where you’re currently at and want to get here, you’re going to go the wrong way. Take that as a metaphor however you want when you’re building your bridge.
Talking about information, you talked about how you’re just an avid learner. I’d stopped my learning 10 or 15 years ago. I didn’t realize that even though I was successful, I was still crippling myself in so many different ways. Our access to the amount of information can be confusing. Some people learn from an accountability buddy, a mastermind, a coach, an online course, and lots of ways to learn. Who are you currently learning from? And more importantly, how did you reach out and connect with them?
Jerome Myers: 06:20
I just had a conference, and 30 speakers come and present. Each one said something afterward: thank you for the opportunity to me specifically outside of being in front of everybody. It wasn’t just me, but a lot of the people there sat for the whole thing and learned something from everybody that speaks. This may sound a little cliche, Brandon, but I’m learning from everybody. The way that I’m connecting with them varies, but a lot of it is just interaction on the internet. My network has changed because of LinkedIn and I can say that without a shadow of a doubt. And usually, there’s some form of referral at this point. And why my journey I need people to vet it before they get into my sphere. The folks that come in and have the biggest impact came because somebody else was engaging or interacting with them. And they said, “Hey, you should meet Jerome, or Jerome can help you with your problem or some other.” Typically, introductions through LinkedIn is how life moves for me as far as growing the network.
The Mastermind Effect: 07:40
That’s how you and I were introduced. Justin Breen, who we mentioned, said, “Hey, Jerome, you need to meet Brandon for X, Y, and Z,” which was the podcast, the mastermind effect, and then the platform we’re building, The Success Finder. It’s that blue checkbox. When he says this person needs to meet this person, they’ve got their reputation on the line. They don’t want to sit there and say, “I made a poor introduction,” because it’s tough to repair that reputation at the end of the day. When someone connects two people or more, there’s a baseline of what’s important and who you can trust. And that’s why I appreciate LinkedIn connections, people like you, Justin, and Marlena. I know we’ve got over 7 billion people, but a little bit smaller.
People, in general, get stuck, and we don’t know how to execute what’s in our heads. It’s the saying, “you can’t see the picture through the frame or the tree through the forests.” the world’s still going through some form of a pandemic, but to me, it’s creating a reset and how we can accomplish things. How have masterminds, like what you just finished here about a week ago, the three-day mastermind events, helped you when you’re looking to reset yourself and get unstuck?
Jerome Myers: 09:14
We actually had this experience last night where we were in a small mastermind group. It was centered around real estate, but a young lady said, “Hey, my Facebook account has been like in jail for six months, and there’s nothing that I can do to get it back.” And there this guy who works at Facebook that’s in a group. He said, “Oh, I can open up a ticket and get it back for you.” So the thing that I think is most valuable about masterminds is picking up a phone or getting on the computer and solving somebody’s problem right there right now.
I don’t think most people have a network that does that, especially when it’s not organized somehow with some common interests. I think people go to the place where they’re hanging out with their friends, and they’re hanging out because of proximity. They’re not hanging out because there’s a shared focus or a future vision. When you and the people you’re spending your time with are less than deliberate, you end up with a less than deliberate future state for your life because you are actually driving or forcing the trajectory you’re looking for.
Self-Education and Jerome’s Reality
The Mastermind Effect: 10:33
It is so true. Masterminds help you see around corners. The people there might come from different industries, but when you are brought into that room, it’s safe to sit there and have your selfish asks and ask something isn’t selfish. How amazing is it that she was able to solve a problem that she’s had for six months because she was in a room that you or someone curated?
Masterminds, in general, have been around for a long time. If you think about it, the first mastermind was probably the apostles. And then, from there, Benjamin Franklin creates the Judo Club or the Leather Apron Club. Then Napoleon Hill rounds it out, and he writes a book on it. We’re going to go back to the beginning of what we were talking about. Where do you see the differences between self-education (coaching and masterminds) and standard education (university and college) going forward?
Jerome Myers: 11:48
Self-education, I did it. It’s the most efficient and effective way to get to the back end of what you’re trying to accomplish. In my circumstances, why would I pay for this if I can get it for free somewhere else? Because no coach will tell you something that you can’t find on the internet or somewhere. The thing is finding it in the right context and understanding the frame with which that it works.
I’m an engineer, and one of my favorite experiences early on was a tower on the side of a mountain, and we needed to cut the legs out and replace them because the steel had rotted. This tower had power lines connected to its really big power lines, and there was an angle. The power lines are trying to pull the tower off the mountain. It’s being held there because it’s got the foundation. So when you cut the legs out, this thing will fall if you don’t hold it with the crane. My job as an engineer was to figure out how much load that crane needed to hold so that the guys could come in, cut the metal, replace it, and then re-secure the tower to the new legs. And I had to make assumptions because I had no idea what the conditions would be on that day. In life, when we go pick a piece of information, we just get this thing, and we say, “Oh, well, check, check, check. I guess this applies to the situation that I have.” But you don’t know what you don’t know because you’re not trained in that. There’s so much that can get you because you don’t fully understand the frame. So for me, I had to anticipate a gust of wind. What would happen if there was a gust of wind? I had to anticipate the temperature on the day because the colder the temperature, the stronger the wires will be pulling on the tower. There were all these criteria, where we ended up with a bit of grid, and it said, “Well, if these conditions were met, then this was what you would expect to do. So when you’re educating because you don’t know how you can feel confident in the solution you’re putting together if you just got access to the stuff, right?
Let’s go to the one-on-one coaching. It is phenomenal as long as a coach is consuming more information than what you are or having direct experience doing what you’re trying to accomplish. That experience is valuable because it’s not about doing it the right way as knowing the wrong ways of doing it. If I’m trying to find a door or find a specific room in an office building, and none of the doors are labeled, and I open up all the doors, I might know what door to walk through. You being in the building for the first time, you have no idea, so you need a guide. I believe that the best coaches are guides. The coach is going on the journey with you, and I think it’s really meaningful.
Then if we go to the masterminds, they have the place. And the place is you’ve got a cohort of people who, if done properly, are interested in your success. They’re going to give you their perspective and experience through the lens of love. They’re going to challenge you. They’re going to encourage you to do things that may not be comfortable. But, still, they know through their experiences, either their owners or borrow from somebody else, that leaning into that resistance will move them to that next phase.
That’s how I think about the three levels. You get very different outcomes between the three. A mix of all of them is pretty important. I think self-education is important so that you can be discerning when you’re picking the coach or the mastermind. I’ve spent time in masterminds and been disappointed because it wasn’t what I thought. That’s why I appreciate your platform, and it’s an amazing idea because not everybody is interested in actually helping people attain the result. It’s just like when you’re dealing with an attorney or an accountant, and they could be doing things so that they can charge more fees. So you need to make sure that they are clear about what you’re trying to accomplish. And that fact-finding and information gathering help you get to the clarity.
The Mastermind Effect: 17:15
One of the many things I picked up there was the transfer of risk. If you’ve got that coach that is transferring the risk to you. It’s like the doctor that will prescribe this medicine for your child, but not for his child or the politician that will send your kid off to war, but they’re going to make sure that theirs doesn’t go off to war—that transfer of risk. How do you keep from transferring the risk?
When people invest in themselves, I think the best investment life is yourself with the highest ROI. I’m in the stock market and the housing market, but I can’t control what happens in those. I do control my return on what I’m doing and the people I’m surrounding myself with. What should people expect when they invest in themselves with you and enter Jerome’s reality?
Jerome Myers: 18:35
I don’t know if your listeners watched the movie Inception. Right. If they have, this answer resonates with them. I’m going to pull the scene from that and hopefully drop them into something nostalgic for them.
In the movie, the architect is the builder of reality, and they build this world so that other people can come into it and live. I am never the architect; they are the architect. They never come into my reality. My reality is what they want on the backside. I come into their world as the architect. Then we discuss what they want to change within the world, and then we create a plan to move from what’s been built to what they want. We go on this journey together. I help them figure out how they will get from where they are to where they want to go. Then I pull on and make them get really clear. If they aren’t and then pull on it the “why” because “why” it’s got to be bigger than all the “why not.” I want a big “why.” You can stack up all the little “why not” and will knock them over as we keep going down this path of this “why” has to happen. They are always the builder because if it’s mine, they’re being dragged along, and I don’t want them to drag along. I want them steering the ship, and I call it Driver’s Ed. They’re in the driver’s seat, and they got the gas, the brake, and the steering wheel. All I got over here is the brake. I hit the brake so that we don’t run off the road, run into a bridge, or back over another car.
Now, the answer is, what’s the smartest way to do this? Do you understand all the risks? And are you okay with those risks balls in your court? I’m here to support you through it. This goes back to most teenagers. They are free enough to do a bunch of dumb stuff but still have the luxury of knowing that if everything goes bad, they can go home. So it’s better, in most cases, to help them figure out how to do the dumb stuff they want to do so that it doesn’t permanently crush them.
Some people have desires that may not be in their best interest. As a coach, one who believes in loving the person that they’re working with, that they are willing to say, “here’s what can happen,” or “I don’t think you shouldn’t do it.” A lot of people try to stay out of it completely. But I take a more consultative approach like, “I don’t think the risk is worth the reward on this. Here’s why. Can you mitigate these things?” If they can mitigate them, maybe we can move forward. But let’s create a plan to take care of all these things to end up in the space you want to get to or find another way.” I think a lot of times, and some folks will say, “Hey, here’s what the outcome that I want, and here’s how I want that to happen.” There may be five different ways to get to that outcome, and you’re only thinking about one.
The example that I like here is when I was on my way to the airport one day, and there was a traffic jam on the highway. I didn’t know if the traffic jam was for a mile or 10 miles. But I know that if I stayed in the traffic, I would miss the flight. So I pulled out my GPS because it has a different vantage point than when I did, and it rerouted me through some roads that would have taken longer if the highway was free-flowing. But because it was blocked, this was a quicker way to get to what I wanted. I wanted to get to the airport. I have my knowledge, I had my frame on the best way to do that, but I was willing to explore another alternative because I was stuck out, and it wasn’t working. I liked the word stuck that you used earlier.
The Mastermind Effect: 22:23
You’ve had two right answers. And sometimes, if we see the right answer and decide to sit there and say, what is the opposite of the right answer, we can get another right answer. It’s just a different path. You have to sit there and say, “okay, it might not be logical on this aspect but let’s go with it.” It’s another right answer. You can have more than one.
The Mastermind Effect: 23:01
People surprise us, whether it’s the grit, the grind, or the willingness to learn. If you wouldn’t mind sharing a success story of someone that invested in themselves with you. What was the outcome? If you can give names and details, that’s great. If you have to be vague, we appreciate people’s anonymity.
Jerome Myers: 23:23
I won’t say his name. He’s my longest-running client. He’s probably eight or nine years into the game now. I think we’re just going to be together forever, and I’m excited to participate in that. When we started, he was just a financial representative selling insurance, investment products and helping folks in the way that he could. Through the journey, he’s won financial Rep of the year. He’s gone from a practice that’s been $200,000 a year to a million dollars this year. He was fortunate enough because I’ve got some background in real estate to buy the home that he’d been dreaming about since we first started.
The material things aren’t all that important to me and for most people. We’ve got this six-level process: self-image, relationships, work, health, prosperity, and significance. He’s been able to take care of those other four, and then he got the prosperity. Again, sequence matters. If you’re not dealing with the self-image and self-esteem and keeping those promises to yourself, you’re never going to get what you want out of life. You’re not going to have the confidence to change those relationships that are one way, where you’re just happy people are with you, even if they’re coming to take from you. They’re not coming to engage with you. So your work is never going to be in alignment with your morals and values. You’re just going to be doing things because people don’t respect you; they’re just going to make you do the stuff they don’t want to do. I don’t think anybody gets excited about that, and this certainly doesn’t increase your income or your comp.
Those three things on the bottom, self-image, relationship, and work, are the things that create all the stress in your life. What’s likely to happen next is you got those self-destructive habits and behaviors. So your health begins to deteriorate. That’s why we try to get those first three taking care of. Then, with the reduced stress, it’s easier to focus on your physical and mental health. It’s easier to meditate. It’s easier to go work out because you have control over your work schedule.
Then followed by the prosperity that comes on the backside of that. You get prosperity before the health like some people think they can do. You’ll give up all your prosperity to take, get your health back, and you’ll continue to buy and buy because you forgot the sequence. Then the final piece is the overflow.
Next year, he’s got a pretty big aggressive goal to get philanthropic. And again, going through the sequence, put your mask on first, get well financially, and make sure that you feel that you live in a place of abundance so that when you give to others, you can do it gleefully. You don’t give a second thought about what happens once you make that give or that share.
I think he’s a great example. I remember I’m super competitive. We won Rep of the year that first year, and the next year, we came in second place. And I pull up to the worst thing. I see him walking in and said, “Never again, we’re not going to lose anymore.” It was fine that we lost because he got a huge promotion, which allowed him to influence more people, which is more of a leadership guy than somebody who’s just focused on individual production. But it was just we set this goal, and we missed it.
The most exciting about 2021 is the performance that he had in 2020 allowed him to be the Rep of the year again for that state by one point. We had this conversation, and we’re like, “do we need to do whatever we can to get this thing done? Or can we just run our own race?” And we got into the place where we weren’t looking to the left or right anymore. We just wanted to do the best that we could do. And the best that we could do was be number one. That’s what I look for. Now I’m in a place of abundance. I come from that place, and I stay in that place. We’re not competing anymore, and it’s the best that we can do. The competition is with ourselves and making sure that we can look ourselves in the mirror and say, “I did the best I could do.” If you do that every day, your life’s going to be phenomenal.
The Mastermind Effect: 28:26
You are your competition. You are the person that you should strive for. If you’re looking backward, you’re slowing down, and you’re putting on the brake.
A few more questions as we get closer to the end here. I feel that in times of prosperity, the winds come in a little bit easier. But I think creativity and ingenuity come when we feel the squeeze and the world still feeling a squeeze. What are you working on right now that will take place over the next 12 months that excites you?
Jerome Myers: 29:19
We’ve got our mastermind on ice right now because we want to see people with no mask on. When we’re able to launch that we’re going to set the world on fire because we’re going to have people coming in who are interested in being a great dad, in having a business, home life, and relationships committed to their partner and looking to make an actual impact with the way that they invest in the world. If you can align a group of people, who are locked in that way and not trying to figure out who’s got the coolest car, who’s got the most money, or any of that other stuff, you want to talk about magic being able to happen. Just leave the door cracked and see what happens. That, for me, is life because those are the folks I want to spend time with.
I don’t think most people begin to faintly understand what’s possible when you have a group nucleus of folks who are on a path to make a huge impact. I’ve wanted to be the guy that impacts the folks who impact millions. That’s been my ambition. I believe the only success is significance. If I can show up in that way, and they go out and affect or impact their collective tribes, it’s a life worth living. I feel like the time that I’m worn, which I think is borrowed, is well used. It’s a great investment.
The Mastermind Effect: 30:51
The ripple effect, the legacy left behind, creating for purpose. It’s helpful to have a foundation when you have that foundation however it looks, and it’s what do you do with it going forward? How can you create a for-purpose company? How can you impact someone? You might not ever meet them, but because of that ripple, that happens? It’s like when you’re here, or when you’re gone, it continues to flow.
What is a tip, a tactic, or an actionable item, that if someone listening to this right now implemented it over the next 30, 60, or 90 days, would see a real impact on their personal or business life?
Jerome Myers: 31:32
I’m going to get tactical now because everybody talks about writing or scribing. If you journal every day, and you include what you want, what you’re willing to do to get it, and what life will look like on the backside of you having it, it will show up.
The Mastermind Effect: 31:50
I love that. If you journal every day, and you include what you want, what you’re willing to do to get it, and what life will look on the backside, it’s going to be there. And then it’s true. You speak it to the earth. You speak it to the world. I can’t tell you in the last several years how many times I’m like, “I need this type of a person in my life.” And they don’t just like appear out of thin air, but someone’s like, “Hey, Brandon, Jerome, Jerome. Brandon.” It’s like those are the things that when you start becoming intentional. I just feel lucky that I get to be around people like this. So you can be lucky by design, and that’s really what I’m hearing Jerome saying with this.
We have got the Founder of Dream Catchers, Jerome Myers. Thank you so much for what you brought to us today.
“The thing that I think is most valuable about masterminds, is being able to pick up a phone, get up on a computer and solve somebody’s problem right there, right now.” – Jerome Myers
“The best coaches are guides. They go on the journey with you.” – Jerome Myers
“If you journal everyday and you include what you want, what you’re willing to do to get it, and what life will look like on the backside of you having it, it will show up.” – Jerome Myers
You can connect with me, Brandon Straza, on LinkedIn, Instagram, or send me an email at firstname.lastname@example.org. I’d love to get in touch and talk more about personal development and how you can move beyond your limits.